why didnt skaven go into 40k orks did and it'd be cool to see how they would develop and adapt. any opinions?

*moves to warhammer warlord clans*

This forum is just for the painting&hobby side of 40k. For actual discussions about skaven you should post in one of our general forums ;) .

I think it would indeed be cool to have skaven in 40k. I think GW isn't going to do it though. They've probably figured that they've got enough 40k races already without having to introduce yet another race.

I'm guessing anything the skaven built that would be capable of space/warp travel, would also be powerful enough to malfunction and destroy all of skavendom in the process. Orc/goblin machinery while also prone to misfires, and failures does not do so with the same explosive result as skaven technology.

GW wants 40k to not be Fantasy in space, so they keep the original race out and use Orcs and Elves instead :rolleyes:

Skaven in 40k don't need to be rats, they just need to be Skaveny. The H'rud are probably the closest thing to Skaven, and they are tunneling insect-like critters with warp-based technology.

I disagree a little bit about the Hrud. To me the closest thing to skaven in 40k is the IG. They operate on sheer numbers, individuals are weak, ogryn are like rat ogres, ratlings like jezzails, and there leadership without a strong general is horrid.

of course I'm making a converted catachan skaven army using skaven heads and tails and greenstuffing furr on arms. If you read the IG book the IG are so numerous and different anyway that it almost fits right in. Just as long as you don't kid yourself thinking that this army could in anyway be considered loyalist.

Arent the Hrud basically skaven (hard to believe that I dont play 40k yet know about such an obscure race <_< )

at first the hrud seemed to be the 40k version of skaven but gw seems to have them be more insect like and from the little info thats on them there not very skaveny. They seem more technology based and don't seem to have any significant horde quality to them. Remember skaven technology isn't new technology it takes existing ideas and find s the most imaginative way to add warp stone to make it even more deadly.

Just to add some slightly related pictures:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Warhammer-40K-Chaos-Sp...1QQcmdZViewItem
Don't know the seller BTW.

Many say IG are like skaven in terms of gameplay (though IMHO I think the similarities are superficial, since those similarities are to a degree also shared with Empire), but in terms of fluff, Hrud are the closest thing to skaven, because they were supposed to be. They were originally intended to be the skaven in 40K, but then GW decided that 40K should stand on its own feet rather than being "WHFB in Space", so the Hrud were distanced from the skaven connection and changed to be more insectile. This movement away from WHFB is also reflected in the eradication of the Squats. I guess a green humanoid fungus and a spocklike eldar could more easily pass off as alien.

*ponders*...

When did they change them then? Last time I read about the H'rud (apart from the various snippets from the Inquisition novels, Ultramarines novels and Thirteenth Legion novels), they were still mentioned as a nocturnal rat-like race.

Greetz

it would be cool though... pity

ive got a idea you could say the skaven got traped in the sewers and now have escaped an finding a new home KILL-KILL

check these guys out
http://www.eastern-empire.com/images/tau_m...HrudAuxilia.jpg

in the book where hrud are said to be insect like , the drawings are marked as speculative. in addition gamesworkshop have said you should convert rat ogers to use hrud in inquisitor and they have many similarities to skaven in background.
games workshop probobly wont do a space skaven army as they probobly think it will make 40k look like a copy of fantesy(unlike orks,eldar,dark eldar,necrons,chaos marines and demons <_< )

Meh... I'm opposed to skaven in space (hrud barely qualify in my book. They are more insectile, as is statet in Xenology). 40k is not fantasy in the future, we have been given ample enough proof that this is not the case (what do you think they are referring to in the HH books when they say "merica"?), and that Terra is our earth.

Sorry, this kind of riles me up.


But... then again...

Nothing stopping you from creating a race of rodentlike xenos...

there;s the Hrud and then thiers the raterial guard!

If Ratling Sniper is what you mean, those are (despite their name) abhumans (such as the Ogryns) and have absolutely no similarities to rat-like creatures in any way.

Greetz

I found the same ebay listing as Morgoth and thought that was a great idea. I've ordered some Chaos Marines and am going to give it a shot. Just don't know why I didn't think of that years ago...

I'm not sure if this have been posted already, but, cmon has an article on this: here


-Glod

A Clan Skryre army basically is a 40k army anyway Dev

Skavens do exist in 40k! just not as an army. They're biding their time to when all other races are at their weakest/dead, then the Horned Rat will push them forth to take over all the known parts of the universe!

here, here!

i hate the marines with skaven heads thing, it just looks stupid imo.

i've been wondering what army list you could use to represent hrud. i think guard's the obvious choice, but it's all a bit mundane. and guard would be SKAVEN in space, and we're after hrud which are different i guess.

i think eldar would be your best bet as far as making a hrud army, you'd have to limit your selection. but you could go for a guardian heavy (clan rats) and warp spyder heavy (jumping through the warp units like hrud do) army, backed up by some dubious looking walkers?

do we know that hrud are a horde army like guard, nids and orks? i thought the only stuff we know is that they travel through the warp and like to scavenge stuff, which means guard, nids and orks arn't the best choices.

They got some SERIOUS anti-titan weapons too, they take a titan down in a shot ive heard. Also, wouldn't the optimal thing be to just make your own armylist?

The H'rud are the best bet if your looking for 40k skaven. Technological insectiod burrowing alien creatures fits the skaveny bill IMO. Apparently they breed fast and inhabit many seemingly inhospitable locations. I like that GW have distanced Skaven from 40k i mean they just wouldnt fit. Silly exploding comical rats with large feet in the dark dangerous war filled future? No thanks, if your looking for a skaven army go H'rud.

Nice to know you liked my army so much :P

Perusing the forum to try and get caught up on my fantasy army and what do I see but one of my old eBay auctions. Since the auctions are over anyway and the rats are with their new owners now there shouldn't be any harm in posting the rest of 'em.



There was actually quite a bit more done to them than simply putting rat heads on. Every single marine had ratty feet bursting out as well as their hands replaced along with rat tails. You'll notice their pistols were moved up to be shoulder-mounted just because I wanted to ;)


Head, arm, and leg replacement. And trust me when I say that leg was one that had me pulling my hair out to get just right.



My Rat-lord, based of course off the old verminlord model. More than just a head replacement there too ;)


My Rat-filer. Mainly because I wanted a giant robotic ratspider thing.



And last but not least is my comment on who the Hrud were supposed to be ;) Xenology ticked me off something fierce since it was a 'late-comer' to the old fluff canon and directly contradicted a lot of what had been hinted at about Hrud before. But such is life, since I don't play 40k anymore it's no skin off my nose.

Hopefully those pics were at least amusing to some folks, and heyas, this is my first post here :) If anyone wants to see the other angle shots I can link 'em for you, but don't want to spam the board.

Oh, as an aside, I ran them as a Lost and the Damned army list. The perfect balance of ragtag mutant troops and high explosives you'd expect to find in a Hrud, er, Space Skaven army ;)

oooooh, SNAP! :lol:

A'int the internet just a swell thing? :P

I think I can hear the assassin's headed in Cazgar's direction... :ph43r: ;)

MZ

I think skaven should be in 40k, I can see it now Rats in Space (sorry for the corny joke).

What does H'rud mean sorry I'm not really into 40k
:rogre:

the hrud were a race that was mentioned inthe 40k fluff, in their initial incarnation they sounded very skaven like....but then in later incarnations they became more insectoid with skaven tendencies.

And the name was likely a play on an old horror B-movie C.H.U.D. which stood for Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers (I feel like an idiot for even remembering the acronym). I always thought H'rud was their joke meant to be Humanoid Rodent Underground Dwellers. And it was until fluff-revision happened. Hate it when they rewrite and contradict themselves. To be honest "fantasy in space" has always been their spiel. It's their unique hook. Then again I've had people argue with me that Eldar aren't space elf inspired and Dark Eldar aren't space dark elf inspired :blink: . Orks = Orcs, Early Tyranids = Lizardmen. I miss the good old days of Rogue Trader when they were winkingly open about it, or the really really old days of Fantasy when a chaos champion could get a ... plasma gun. Nope, no relation there :D

I gave up the hope of seeing Space Skaven. So I gave up 40k.

The Nocturnal Warriors of the Hrud - I think my first introduction to these guys was in the 3rd Edition 40k Rulebook, the one picture from which GW gleaned and introduced the Kroot - it was a picture of several different races that were not particularly represented, in 40k, or not greatly understood by fluff - the Necrons were also on the picture (iirc) and the picture resembled the 2nd Ed look that GW turned away from a slight bit when they introduced them back into 40k.

That Pic has the Hrud Warrior mostly obscured by a cloak and hood (or as I call it a Hrood) and they basically look like a cross between Star Wars' Jawas and Skaven Jezzails. That picture is well known throughout the Hobby, most of us at some point have speculated about it, and also speculated about the race comparissons between 40k and Fantasy - if you look at it, GW hasn't done a great deal of 'distancing' from fantasy races, at least in the origins of the 40k Races - Necrons (Undead), Space Marines (Bretts), Imperial Guard (Empire), Eldar (High Elves), Dark Eldar (Dark Elves), Space Orks (Orcs), The Legend of the Squats (Dwarfs), Chaos (Chaos) etc.

Now, this obviously is a loose comparrisson - I personally don't see any real reason to compare - the origins are obvious, but the comparissons are pointless (imo), because the 40k Universe has taken its own turn - their fluff is very different and the direction they have taken with them is not quite the same.

Can you fit Skaven into 40k? Sort of. I'd personally put them with Orks and Tyrannids. Reason being is, the Orks have embraced the concept of Zany, hazardous inventions that usually backfire, and derive their power from the warp (lol) that is pretty skaveny, and the Tyrannids encapsulate the looming threat of hoardish numbers and the 'we'll overrun you eventually and eat everything' ethos - as well as having the ability to grow and create beastly things to crush stuff with.

As for the Hrud, they've fallen from that pedestal. If you check the 'Xenology' book you'll see the recent idea of what the Hrud are like, which as has been mentioned before, is essentially lizard-like things. I personally think this was done so that it would silence those of us who looked at that pic and thought 'yay, 40k Skaven!'

Still, can you make Skaven in 40k? Sure. Who's going to stop you? The fluff police? Truth is, it's a hobby, the fluff is full of holes to let you do that kind of thing - plus with the Skaven link to Nurgle and such, and the rumours that the Warhammer World exists in the 40k Universe, there's plenty of ways to fit them in - all I say is, why not?